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Amy V

Subject: Mysore & Bangalore
Posted: 29 Dec 2004 1:25 pm


Hi,

I read your writings about Mysore and Bangalore and was a little disturbed by your description of its people and your "experience" you had while there.

I wonder if you do any research prior to your travels so that you might gain any insight you need while in a particular country.

I am an American born raised etc....I am married to an Indian. He is from Bangalore. I recently had my first trip to India this past March and I must tell you it was quite different than what you explained. I absolutely loved it. The people in Bangalore were so friendly and were always smiling at me. People came up to meet me and shook my hands. I would say India had some of the warmest people I have ever met.

I also had a good experience with shopping as well. Commercial Street, MG Road, Brigade Rd., they were full of great buys and when we thought something was too high, we came to agreements on prices with the store owners. When I was browsing in the stores the owners/employees were bringing me items, opening items to show me, asking me what I needed, what I was specifically looking for and never exhausted on being of help to me. Where else would you find this? Also if you’re more interested in a mall type setting, Family Mart is the best. There is also a grocery store right beside it that has the atmosphere of shopping in a small local IGA store.

Bangalore is known as the Garden City and does have many attractions. There are parks, aquariums, museums, and a beautiful botanical garden called Lal Bagh. We also had a great time in a huge arcade/bowling alley. There is also a bowling Alley in a 5 Star Hotel, which we thoroughly enjoyed.

We also ate some delicious Indian Food, Italian, Chinese, and I even ate at KFC and Pizza Hut.

As far as the travel and the roads, I went with the understanding of the country I was going to see. I knew ahead of time what the roads were like. Even with so much of travel on so many bumpy roads I had a wonderful time.

As far as Mysore, the Palace is a tourist attraction, and there are people who try to get you to buy things or try something. The Palace was too Good! I loved it. While in the Palace my husband and I met some people (Who just came up to me, started talking and shook my hand,) who were from my husbands village where was born and grew up until he moved to Bangalore. Just a tip, if you want to have someone not ask you to buy something or give you unwanted information as you stated the guards did, say "Beda." This means no.

As far as the gentleman who had been drinking, you find people like that in every culture.

While reading your article, I couldn’t help but feel that you were looking for the negative. I just wanted the opportunity to let you know that you missed out entirely while looking for the negative. India is truly one of the most beautiful countries with some of the nicest, warmest, most beautiful people you will find. I believe you might be starting to understand what I gained from my experience.

I could go on and on and write so much more, and what I have written so far is but a ver small part of my experience, but I believe that I have written enough. I did not want to respond in a negative manner like others have. I just would like to help you see what you might have missed. Next trip, if you ever make another to India, take more time to understand the beautiful culture of the Indians and experience it to the fullest. (Oh, before you book a bus...you may want to do more research… 😂 hehehe)

Thank you for your time in reading this.

-Amy

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Mark Moxon

Subject: Bangalore and Mysore
Posted: 29 Dec 2004 5:26 pm


Hi Amy.

Thanks for your comments - I'll do my best to reply to your points.

First up, I hope my writing hasn't caused you any offence, but it's satire in a very British vein, and I think you may have read my Mysore and Bangalore pieces with different expectations to those of the author. Basically, I'm taking the piss, but in the fond manner that forms the basis for an awful lot of humour in England. If you don't spot the humour, this sort of writing can sound like nothing but sour grapes and harsh criticism, but if you read my site with your tongue firmly inserted in your cheek, you may see that I'm simply being satirical.

I would also recommend you check out a bit more of my writings on India, because then I would hope you won't criticise me for not taking the time to understand the culture. Taken as a whole, my oeuvre on India is full of insights, observations and fascinating cultural tit-bits, but it's written from a definite viewpoint, mine (it's difficult to write from any other viewpoint!) For example, I take great enjoyment from journeys that go horribly wrong, whether by train, boat or bus, and every journey I take that turns into a journey from hell, I gleefully document in all its jaw-dropping amazement.

This has nothing to do with not doing research, which is what you seem to be implying. Why does writing about a bus journey from hell imply that I did no research, and that I had no idea that the buses would be like this? Of course I knew the buses would be bad; by this point in my travels I'd been writing about awful Asian bus journeys for months, so this was certainly no new experience (see my writings on Indonesia in particular). But every experience, particularly one so full of satirical potential as a bad bus journey, is a great opportunity for writing about the travel experience, to write about it from a viewpoint of amazement helps to point out the absurdity of the experience.

Anyone can write about malls and restaurants; I write about how I feel about malls and restaurants, and if I feel satirical, that's how I write. It has nothing to do with a lack of research, but everything to do with an eye for a story and how to tell it.

To pull a few points from your posting:

"The people in Bangalore were so friendly and were always smiling at me. People came up to meet me and shook my hands. I would say India had some of the warmest people I have ever met."

I agree: India is the friendliest country I've ever visited, and this is a common theme in all my Indian writing. But I found Bangalore comparatively cold (note: 'comparatively'😉. Did you travel round much of India when you were there, or spend much time exploring outside of Bangalore? If so, it'd be interesting if you found the comparative friendliness different; people were certainly friendly in Bangalore, but compared to the countryside, I found they were less open and warm, not unlike city dwellers the world over.

"When I was browsing in the stores the owners/employees were bringing me items, opening items to show me, asking me what I needed, what I was specifically looking for and never exhausted on being of help to me. Where else would you find this?"

Um... throughout the whole of Asia, for a start! Anywhere involving shops and sales is going to bring out the friendliest in the shopkeeper. Have you ever tried showing interest in a carpet shop in Marrakech? Or how about trying to ignore the salesmen of Agra? How about the amazingly helpful salesmen of Bamako? Have you seen them sense blood? They do it by being amazingly friendly... and then not letting go.

This happens everywhere in the developing world, it just doesn't happen in the West. I wouldn't mistake it for genuine friendliness; it's motivated by salesmanship, and it's just capitalism at work. This is not to say that people aren't friendly in shops, but pointing out that a place is friendly by saying its shopkeepers are keen is... well, not an argument I'd use.

"As far as the gentleman who had been drinking, you find people like that in every culture."

You do, and I write about them in other cultures, too. It doesn't mean I have to be nice about them. 😀

"While reading your article, I couldn’t help but feel that you were looking for the negative."

Only in the sense of making a joke out of that negative. Dark humour - which I purvey - picks at the negatives and turns it into something to smile about. It might not be happy-bunny-rabbit humour, but it's humour nonetheless. It makes me laugh, anyway, and rather a lot of others too. 😀

In conclusion, do try reading some more of my travel writing, and hopefully you'll see that not only is my writing well researched and the product of more travelling experience than most people get in a lifetime, but that it's actually rather uplifting. If, however, you can't see why anyone would see my writing as anything other than ill-researched grumpiness, then I guess we probably just have different senses of humour.

Also, remember that I wrote this in 1998, which is some time ago now. Things change, and that's worth bearing in mind too. Six years is a long time in the development of a city like Bangalore...

But I do hope you read more of my writing and can get into it. Life's so much fun if you don't take it seriously, I find... 😀

Best wishes,

Mark

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Amy

Subject: Mysore & Bangalore
Posted: 29 Dec 2004 6:35 pm


Hello again,

Just wanted to drop you a line about the shops and sales people. Yes there were some that wanted to do nothing more than to sale me something. Please don't think I am that naive. There were also shops which we left empty handed with nothing, the people were very pleasant and did not follow us and drag us by our shirt tails to come back, but smiled and either waved or said their good byes when we left. I also traveled in the jungle area and went on a Safari that lasted 3 nights. We stayed in the middle of the Jungle/Forest (whichever you would like to call it, everyone says something different.) I found the same warmth that I did in Bangalore. I do believe that Bangalore has grown much since you were last there. My husband also stated that it had grown since he left in 2000.

You do have a lot of negativity written about India. I have read many of your other writings. I do believe that you have some fondness for Bollywood though. We love the Hindi movies also. I did notice that you stated that “your own set of values is irrelevant and simply not applicable” when speaking of being a visitor in India. I completely found the opposite. From the time I landed in Bombay and went on to Bangalore everyone was just great. There were people who thought of my well being and wanted me to be as comfortable as possible. I was treated better in India than I have ever been treated visiting anywhere else.

One thing I do know is that people will treat you the way you treat them. I didn’t try to avoid everyone; I tried to be as open and friendly as possible. Maybe they felt that you were cold….who knows.

Anyway, as you stated, your writing is your opinion. We don't have to agree. I wasn't putting you down or being sarcastic. I explained that in my writing. It almost seems that you took offense.

I was only sharing my experience. My writing did not do my experience justice, but I don't have time to sit and write everything in so much detail (I wish I did.)

Please do not think that I am writing in anger or frustration. That is not the case. Thanks.

-Amy

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Subject: Comparitively or Miserable and Unhappy
Posted: 29 Dec 2004 7:34 pm


This was taken from your writing on Bangalore.

“And the people are as miserable as city dwellers anywhere in the world: smiling at them produces a total blank, and apart from a handful of happy-go-lucky locals, Bangalorians obviously suffer from too much money and not enough happiness.”

You wrote as a reply to this post:

“ I agree: India is the friendliest country I've ever visited, and this is a common theme in all my Indian writing. But I found Bangalore comparatively cold (note: 'comparatively'😉.

There seems to be a discrepancy in what your meaning actually was. “Comparatively” and “Miserable, Not enough Happiness” do not sound a like to me.

Just FYI.

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Mark Moxon

Subject: Your comments
Posted: 30 Dec 2004 1:23 pm


Hi Amy.

Thanks for coming back! I think we're probably going to have to agree to disagree, but one thing I still maintain is that my writing isn't full of negativity. I feel it's full of honesty, and my attitude reflects what it's like to travel through a country for a long time, without living inside the false comforts of a tourist bubble. I met plenty of travellers on the way, and a lot of them had developed a similar attitude to me: you have to laugh to survive travelling in India, even if that sometimes means laughing at things as well as with things.

Unlike you, I can't say that I loved everyone I ever met in India - anyone who has suffered at the hands of a petty Indian bureaucrat will know what I mean! 😀 - but I did adore the country and the people, and I made a point of smiling at everyone all the time. In Bangalore, though, it felt more like an unfriendly western city than an Indian one, and that's what I say in my piece. If I'd come across this attitude in a city in, say, Morocco, I doubt I'd have raised the issue, and that's why the comparative aspect is relevant; Bangalore is far from a Bad Place, but I found it more dour than other Indian cities, which is why I wrote about this aspect of the city.

Finally, don't worry, I haven't taken offence at your postings, and I didn't think you were writing in anger - I'm sorry if I gave that impression, but I didn't mean to! I'm very happy to hear your opinions, and thanks for taking the time to post again.

Best wishes,

Mark

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Amy V

Subject: FYI
Posted: 2 Jan 2005 10:00 pm


Hi and HAPPY NEW YEAR MARK,

Just wanted to let you know that I Wasn't taking a tourist's perspective either....I lived in my family's home there. (They are Indian)I couldn't ask for a better family!(In-Laws even!)

We are hoping to make it back soon....can't wait.

Enjoy your New Year!

-Amy

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Mark Moxon

Subject: Happy new year
Posted: 3 Jan 2005 2:06 pm


Hi Amy.

Happy new year to you too! 😀

Of course, I wasn't thinking of you when I talked about the tourist bubble - it would be practically impossible to be a tourist when you're married to a Bangalorian! What a great way to see the country; I'm just glad you managed to see a more wonderful side to Bangalore than I did. No doubt when I go back there again, I'll see it in a different light too...

Thanks again for posting your comments; very much appreciated. Have a great new year, and give my best to Bangalore when you next visit!

Best wishes,

Mark

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